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Post by poopypants on Jan 2, 2008 17:37:23 GMT -5
Uhhh, what about "Dining With The Sharks", which was released around 1992/93? ! * *Quite right you are concerning the Dining With the Sharks release and lack of mention ... might I suggest you point this out to the person who wrote the blog? No attitude here at all in that remark. As for Didi ... well, then, start the thread and give us some facts, antidotes, etc. I am sure it will be interesting and appreciated. Okay, if someone else won't, I will. Besides, it will (Hopefully) get us away from some of the Randy Holden fanboy(s?) A.K.A. morons and at least in this instance be much more BC related. Now, I must start out by saying, Duck is "IT" in the guitar dept., no question. Regardless of how Dieter came into the band, he is too often overlooked. But let's go back in history a little, shall we. Duck supposedly didn't get along BC's manager at the time, and so he was out @ early to mid 1991. Dieter had a week to rehearse the set before they were back on tour. Then, they headed to the same studio where "Highlights And Lowlives" was recorded, with Dieter co-writing or writing much of the material with the resulting album being "Dining With The Sharks". They toured some more, along with the Outlaws, only for Paul Whaley to finally give up in dealing with this manager. Dave Salce was originally slated to replace him, but it finally ended up being Gary Holland. This version toured until feb. of 1993, after which the band called it quits, until 1999, which is when Duck re-entered the picture. I have purposely left some information out, as I would like to see some participation from others in the "know" on here (And again, steer this board back on course!). So, as you can see, Duck was hardly the guitarist for 17 years, being that there was a gap of, oh, say over 7 years!! As well, Dieter recorded an entire album worth of new material that, while perhaps not like their original material (Then again, neither was "HL&LL"), still showed the band as a living, viable unit. Again, much credit goes to Duck for being an integral part of BC, but let's give credit where it's due. |
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Post by gypsyball on Jan 2, 2008 19:04:44 GMT -5
Of all the studio albums that Blue Cheer made from 1985-2007. Dinning With The Sharks, is heaviest sounding album that they ever put out.
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Post by riffraff on Jan 2, 2008 21:29:33 GMT -5
Yeah Dickie said the manager was an ex-Nazi! I thought he was joking...not!
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Jan 2, 2008 23:42:05 GMT -5
You vill put that bottle of vater back in the cooler groupie girl! That iz for zee band only!!! SceiSSau!
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Post by rowenafaire on Jan 3, 2008 0:38:35 GMT -5
so who was this guy, what was his schtick, and was he the manager from 88-93? that's a long time to keep someone you don't like!?
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Post by wholelottashakin on Jan 4, 2008 11:11:22 GMT -5
Interesting stuff, pp  ... hope there are others who can fill in some of the details Might I also throw out a suggestion to our busy Web master, Doug Dye ... there seems to be absolutely no information on any of the other guitarists up on the site ... even these bits, plus Didi's (or anyone else who has a story to tell about the band) funny remarks about the hamburger ... would make some interesting reading for those new people the Cheer is adding to the fan base every time they go out. I for one would like to know more about Didi, and Gary Yoder ... surely someone out there has some facts and stories to add ... By the way ... THANK YOU so much for doing such an excellant job on the Web site ... and thanks be to you, too, feedbacklorde, for keeping the bb going ... |
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Post by featheredfish on Jan 5, 2008 5:59:38 GMT -5
Six months before Didi was born, his father bought the single, Summertime Blues by BC. Now what coincidence that his son would be guitarist with the same band, performing the same song, 22 years later?
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Jan 5, 2008 11:56:27 GMT -5
The Dieter Saller Years: Here's the story the way it was explained to me by several reliable sources.....As we all know, BC had relocated to Germany in the very late 80's and had signed to Nibilung Records and the management of Roland Hoffman. Well, as things started rolling for the band, Hoffman became more & more of a control freak. He wanted them to rehearse so many hours a day, write "x" amount music by a given timeline, use standard setlists, stay out of trouble, and basically make band operations a lot more business-like. Well as we know, BC doesn't work like that. They ALWAYS deliver the goods but the band operates in a much more casual manner. That's who they are.
Eventually, things started to come to a head between Hoffman & Duck (who was not taking any of his shit at all) and Hoffman made it so bad that Duck finally got fed up & split. He didn't want to leave BC, he just was sick of the scene Hoffman created (this is why Dickie says every night that Duck has been their axeman for the last 20 years--he never OFFICIALLY left). In hopes of capitalizing on this new situation, Hoffman recruited Didi to step in as the new guitarist. His logic was that by having a german-speaking person in the band, he would have better control. All of this was unbeknownst to Didi who came in and made a good faith effort to fit in and make some quality noise. He is a really cool dude and I feel that his contributions were quite good, especially the twist he put on the ancient material when palying live. Hoffman put a lot of pressure on him to do his dirty work and in the end, the Coup failed....Paul left and then finally Dickie did and in the process, Didi had to deal with being in the middle of all the tensions between band and management. He got a raw deal.
BC put the pieces back together in 1999 for the Japanese tour and we all know what has occurred since. Hoffman still claims that the band owes him one more album and if memory serves me correctly, he too even tried to steal the Blue Cheer name. This is the story the way I understand it. If any past/present BC members or 1%ers disagree with anything I wrote, please let me know and I will amend this as needed.
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Post by Voice Of Insanity on Jan 5, 2008 22:24:55 GMT -5
Hey, maybe Roland Hoffman can manage the career of Randy Holden, so they can make a joint effort to steal the name Blue Cheer!!!  |
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Post by wholelottashakin on Jan 5, 2008 23:53:59 GMT -5
funny, but could we just focus on positive, interesting discussion? there's a whole lot of rock n roll out there ...
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Post by wholelottashakin on Jan 6, 2008 1:43:21 GMT -5
Errr, apologies for that remark ... just so weary of hearing the name randy, even if in a funny put down ... I put my recollection of meeting both Tony Rainier and Dickie Peterson in the same night many years ago over in the TONY RAINIER thread, at the suggestion of ... someone  |
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Post by riffraff on Jan 6, 2008 1:44:01 GMT -5
So why wasn't Dining with Sharks released?
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Jan 6, 2008 11:08:00 GMT -5
It WAS released. I got my copy as soon as I heard that it was out (ironically during my first visit to Vintage Vinyl). I've never seen it in a store since but heard that there was a room full of copies somewhere. My speculation is that Hoffman either recalled or stopped distributing the record after his falling out with the band. Any comments Didi?
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Post by rowenafaire on Jan 6, 2008 12:53:07 GMT -5
or (hoffman)is sitting on the stock waiting for it to be worth a collector's price like so many people in the position to do something similar..?
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Post by A Voice Of Logic on Jan 6, 2008 14:08:11 GMT -5
Errr, apologies for that remark ... just so weary of hearing the name randy, even if in a funny put down ... Okay, here goes my one and only contribution to the 'let's talk about the members of the band' thread Around 1972, two friends of mine, Animal Bob and Michael, were playing a gig in Davis, CA. They invited me to come most especially 'cause they were adding a new guitarist named Tony Rainier. Tony 'accidentally' joined the band thusly ... he was visiting from LA, where he was in a band, the name I don't remember. His manager got pushy, telling Tony he 'better not or else' join another band, which Tony said he had no intention of doing - until the guy started throwing around his weight. Apparently Tony doesn't like being told what to do. What I remember of the gig is that Tony was a really good guitarist even then and that he was a complete gear head. Michael was great on harmonica and Animal Bob ... dunno ... Bob, you still out there? Also a sorta short guy with hair looking like a lion came to the gig to support his friends, the before mentioned Animal Bob and Michael. His name, I was to learn, was Dickie Peterson (formerly)of Blue Cheer. About him I remember that he was completely supportive of the musicians on stage and sort of deflected the attention of those who recognized him in an off hand way mostly by just focusing on the band on stage and just being a very cool guy. He was funny as hell and gave so generously of himself after the gig, talking to the musicians about their craft and letting them learn from his experience. Dickie did not perform that night. It turns out I waited more than 30 years for the pleasure of hearing him and BLUE CHEER, last year in Santa Cruz. It was the first time Tony and Dickie met, I know 'cause I was standing there when Animal Bob did the Tony this is Dickie, Dickie this is Tony thing. How their paths twined and entwined after that I have no idea. Anyone got any pieces to fit the puzzle? Nice, but shouldn't this be in the Tony Rainier thread? |
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... hope there are others who can fill in some of the details 
