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Post by dewdude on May 24, 2011 8:28:09 GMT -5
*ahem* Hi, Sorry it took so long. dewdu.de/bc4/if you're REALLY impatient dewdu.de/bc4/album - pick your format and go. *NOTE: Due to something somewhere during last night's mastering session, Saturday Freedom had problems. If you've downloaded the file prior 11:40 pm Eastern time, please redownload* -Jay |
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Post by gypsyball on May 24, 2011 15:12:04 GMT -5
Fool with Yolder on vocals is pretty good.
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Post by terencebelcher on May 24, 2011 21:27:20 GMT -5
Guess Dewdude finally got tired of being the only person in the world to own this album! LOL
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Post by otherhalf on May 25, 2011 6:11:37 GMT -5
Thanks very much for that Dewdude. I downloaded the Flac files, converted them to WAV and burned them to CD, and despite my decidedly non-techie nature and bog standard Philips CD burner, I definitely prefer your version to the Akarma...it sounds warmer and better balanced somehow. The only problem I encountered is that there seem to be a number of glitches in Saturday Freedom ( I tried to repair them in Audacity but was only partially successful). The other tracks are all fine.
Is that a bonus duck after Same Old Story?...I don't remember it, but it's a long while since I heard the original vinyl!
Listening to it all again I'm struck by just how tight the band sound, despite the alleged disrepair of some of the parties. Dickie's bass grips and rolls the music along like a set of fat tractor tyres and he really seems to revel in his playing on this album. Ralph Kellogg's keyboards give Nicky Hopkins a run for his money and Bruce's playing is powerful but always concise. There's a lot of soul in Bruce's work here and the whole album just has bags of feel. Some of the songs (particularly the Kellogg and Stephens songs such as Better When We Try) are very carefully arranged and I wonder how much Ralph, Bruce or Dickie or would direct the other musicians in the studio? Eric, could you possibly share any memories of the sessions regarding the songs/performances and how much was collaborative and how much was directed either by songwriters or producers? The band didn't seem to do much live work at that time so were the songs actually worked up in the studio, or did the band rehearse them somewhere? Any idea how the ducks came about?!
Thanks
David
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Post by dewdude on May 25, 2011 8:12:30 GMT -5
Saturday Freedom seems to be a problem. I guess i didn't listen to the tracks as carefully as I should have after the processes because I never noticed the dropped samples. I'll have to go back to the original FLAC files tonight and make sure it's not corruption. There's no fixing it, I'll have to reprocess the track from scratch. I do know that track had other problems...but the bits of silence wasn't one of them.
The Arkama version sounded like it was a simple needledrop, they didn't bother to do any eq to adjust for RIAA curve variations. Most of the warmth likely came from a metal box labeled, oddly enough, Bluecheer. Its got six pairs of different tubes that i can swap and customize, but I biased some of them so high the little bit of gas in the tube ionizes and glows blue depending on brand/vintage of tube. I ran this through vintage tubes to match the album year.
None of that matters with a screwed up track though. I won't be able to do anything about it till tonight. But I'll get it fixed and reupload that track, provided its not a problem with the original files.*Problem-free track has since been uploaded*
The extra duck at the end of Same Old Story was really what started this whole fiasco in the first place. The people that were hanging around the old forum were pretty upset that Arkama pulled the needle before that quack. If my memory serves me right...it was also at the end of the 8-track.
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Post by otherhalf on May 27, 2011 13:17:46 GMT -5
Thanks for correcting Saturday Freedom and for the further info. Sounds great now.
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Post by dewdude on May 27, 2011 14:45:20 GMT -5
No problem.
Rumor has it this album was also released on the typical quarter-inch consumer reel-to-reel format that was gaining very little popularity at the time. I'm in the process of not only finding out if that's true, and if it is, if I can find one. But it's not something worth holding your breath over. Since I've never found one in the past I highly suspect it was only issued on vinyl and 8-track...and 8-track isn't worth messing with.
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Post by featheredfish on May 28, 2011 12:27:48 GMT -5
Hey Jude! Thanks for the scientific insight into the remastering process. I`d look all these words up in the dictionary to see what they mean, but it sounds so fucking boring, I don`t think I`ll bother. I`m surprised anybody even bothered downloading anything considering your past history on this message board. So how many years has it now taken you to finally produce what you originally set out to do? Hell, there`s some bands that bring out new albums quicker than that.
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Post by 56buzz on May 28, 2011 14:15:12 GMT -5
hey DD,
thanks for posting this, I still have my copy you gave me years ago...it still sound great.
Ya know, the possibillity does exist there is a reel to reel version of that recording...I have seen copies of "Outside-Inside" in that format. If I ever come across one I'll nab it and get it to you
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Post by dewdude on May 28, 2011 22:52:07 GMT -5
Thanks Buzz.
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Post by dewdude on Jun 2, 2011 19:59:12 GMT -5
Chinese Democracy.
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Post by gypsyball on Jun 4, 2011 1:11:48 GMT -5
It only took 15 years and millions of dollars later for Guns N' Roses..... er I mean Axel Rose to release the stupid thing. |
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Post by barbaricus on Jun 4, 2011 1:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah, the original vinyl version of BC #4 ended with a quack. Trivia: this album was originally released with musician and producer credits on the back cover but without names on the photos. A slightly later version (maybe 6 months after the original release) had musician and producer names on each back cover picture.
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Post by terencebelcher on Jun 4, 2011 17:03:59 GMT -5
So who`s the quack? Dr Richard Peddicord? For Christ sake, it`ll be a recording of Dickie blowing his nose next!!
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Post by ericalbronda on Jun 5, 2011 20:28:58 GMT -5
The duck is just a duck --I liked ducks and there was a sample tape of animal sounds .
Most of the songs were arranged on the spot and depending on the chemical balance or imbalance of the musicians is when the soings would be ready to record ,
Actually , most of the time the tapes just kept rolling in the hopes we would catch something done interesting enough to keep it on the album.
As I have said before Bruce Stephens was thena musicians musician and most looked up to him for his skills as a musician as far as classic knowledge.
I found Bruce a bit too strict on arrangements and thus was not very fond of his songs . The Mint tatoo album is an example of an overly arranged piece.
Bruce's best ever recordin was done in England and called Fillmore Shuffell
next Best was his cover of the Tom Waits song--Heart of Saturday night.
The duck is just a duck no rhyme or reason to have it other than whim on my part
Cheers,
Eric
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