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Post by FeedbackLourde on Feb 17, 2012 9:00:09 GMT -5
legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=169888If this is actually true, I strongly warn that it will NOT be well-received. If it don't have Dickie, it ain't BC and doing something like this is definitely an insult to his memory and to the testament of what this band was. LAME!!!! And Tony...take this feedback seriously as we are the ones that you are attempting to sell this horseshit to! I thought you were a Bro, man!
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Post by revolution9 on Feb 17, 2012 9:38:41 GMT -5
If Tony wants to put a band together, tour and pay homage to Blue Cheer and play BC songs and (or) BC related songs God Bless,…however to go on tour and call whatever incarnation or assemblance of musicians without Dickie Peterson and call it Blue Cheer is complete and utter blasphemy! Under no circumstances whatsoever should any band call itself Blue Cheer without Dickie Peterson,…as far as I’m concerned and all other 1 % ers will feel (I’m certain) the same about this Look, the bottom line is Blue Cheer is finished over and out now that Dickie has gone and left us and nothing else should be acknowledged if it deems to call itself the BC name w/o Dickie's presence….that name is Dickie’s and Dickie’s ALONE! Even Randy tried to do this at one time and was fiercely criticized for doing that so why would this make this situation any different? Sorry Tony bad idea, bag it! If you want to release rare material that’s one thing but to go on and tour under the name Blue Cheer that’s another thing!
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Post by gypsyball on Feb 17, 2012 9:47:32 GMT -5
I always thought Holden would try to do this after Dickies death, but I never thought Tony Rainier would do this.
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Post by terencebelcher on Feb 17, 2012 10:15:47 GMT -5
You think Dr Brown was behind this in some way  |
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Post by mrmaltese on Feb 17, 2012 11:02:36 GMT -5
Right on Feedback Lourde and Revolution9 it could and would never be Blue Cheer without Dickie Peterson Where does Mr Bodack and Mr Rainer come off and think that they have the liberty to just go and do this and think that that they have the right to the name, Blue Cheer?,...and I highly doubt that Dickie would be in favor of such a thing he certainly wasn;t when Mr Holden attempted to do this some years back,......who the hell would want to see some dude from a Glam band called "Frenchee" dare even attempting to try and perform in his place - that is an insult! Please I really hope this does not ever come to fruition I think we all have something to say about this!
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Post by gypsyball on Feb 17, 2012 11:28:40 GMT -5
Doesn't Duck and/or Dickie's daughter have some type of control of the Blue Cheer name?
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Post by riffraff on Feb 18, 2012 9:06:25 GMT -5
ehhhh....Tour as Son of Blue Cheer....Daughter of Mother Ocean....
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Post by otherhalf on Feb 18, 2012 16:22:49 GMT -5
That Blabbermouth piece reads like the very crassest piece of management speak imaginable. The idea that "people" (presumably Duck and Paul) "had no right to say that Blue Cheer is done" and that "Dickie wouldn't want that" (but somehow he conveniently didn't convey that feeling to Duck or Paul?) comes across as pure, groundless hype and is insulting to boot. Was Mike Bodack really Blue Cheer's "longtime manager"? Everyone who has ever actually liked Blue Cheer rather than thought of them as a name to make money out of knows that Dickie was the irreplaceable cornerstone of the band. Although his approach was to encourage other musicians to punch their weight, Blue Cheer was always, at its core, the embodiment of Dickie's particular vision and brand of music, his way of seeing things and his way of doing things. Without him any "resurrection" of Blue Cheer would be a cynical cash in. I suppose it's always been a possibility that someone would try and make some cash out of the Blue Cheer name after DP's death, but I wouldn't have expected Tony Rainier to become involved in this type of ignominious con trick. Tony is a fine guitarist and his contribution to Blue Cheer goes considerably beyond what you hear on Beast is Back and live recordings judging from Eric's comments here: bluecheer.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=89But then there are half a dozen or so people who could make equally valid or even better claims on the name. If he and Mike Bodack want to try and make some money out of his Blue Cheer legacy why don't they stick to releasing the 1978/79 studio recordings and some of the excellent live material? I'd welcome that and certainly buy them if they were legitimate releases in good sound quality. There's also material recorded as Mother Ocean (some on their Myspace site) that is worthy of proper release, and there may be "Beast" outtakes too. If he wants to form a power trio and record a guitar oriented album (including revisiting some of his Blue Cheer compositions) I'd want that as well....but calling it "Blue Cheer" is the worst of ideas ....and if that's what is going to happen I'm afraid they can count me out from buying any of it. I'd never heard of "Frenchee" so had a look online and came across this album cover: www.popsike.com/RARE-Private-Hard-Rock-LP-FRENCHEE-Lipstick-Ammunition/200307860095.htmlWith the fake "Paul Whaley" from White Trash on board the laughter could be louder than the band.... |
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Feb 20, 2012 9:38:48 GMT -5
HERE IS THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE BLUE CHEER CAMP:
At this point Blue Cheer i.e. (Dickies) managers Andrew Duck MacDonald and Ron Rainey are negotiating with Shroom Angel Records for (to quote Dickie on the 2007 release of What Doesn't Kill You...) his "Piece of the Pie"
"We welcome the release of this material for the continuation of Dickies artistic legacy as long as his estate is compensated for his performances, as far as a band touring under the name Blue Cheer to be quite honest we don't take it too seriously."
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Post by otherhalf on Feb 20, 2012 17:15:35 GMT -5
Thanks for that update Feedbacklourde....looks as if Duck probably has it all under control. I posted a negative comment on the Blabbermouth site and it looks as if virtually all the others who've posted there are against the idea of a phoney Blue Cheer.
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Post by ericalbronda on Feb 21, 2012 5:31:17 GMT -5
Just for the record . Having been directly involved in Tony's time with Blue Cheer
with signed documents , by the way, you would think that Tony and Co, might do the right thing and at least alert me to the intentions of releasing any material from that time. I have herd nothing .
I find this entire saga disgusting other than the fact Blue Cheer's name will be out there again somewhat.
To keep in mind -Blue Cheer comes with some powerful MOJO and unauthorized involvement can result in serious consequences.
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Post by otherhalf on Feb 24, 2012 17:33:02 GMT -5
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Post by ericalbronda on Feb 28, 2012 7:43:02 GMT -5
As far as I can tell the recorded material was done in 1978 at Army Street Studios . It was to be called Blue Cheer #7.Jim Keylor owned the studio and financed the recordings as well as paid for lodging for some of the players . The recordings were produced by me ( signed contract)
A bunch of jumbled legalese does not take away simple ethical considerations .
To state that it is not necessary to obtain permission from Dickie's estate specifically Corrina ,his daughter, is simply spitting on Dickie"s legacy.
Before Dickie died he said to me "I want Corrina to benefit from all things Blue Cheer , recordings and use of the name for any purpose, " also he added "Duck is to be respected as my manager and guitar player. In my opinion the only person along with Corrina that might give permission to use the Blue Cheer name for a touring group.
Now saving a miracle and a touring band , ( Unlikely ) these proposed releases have little chance at major success . So why am I bothering at all to state my piece?
Because Dickie asked me to make sure his requests were honored as best as possible.
Eric
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Post by steveleighphens on Feb 28, 2012 21:00:26 GMT -5
The recordings were produced by me ( signed contract) A bunch of jumbled legalese does not take away simple ethical considerations . To state that it is not necessary to obtain permission from Dickie's estate specifically Corrina ,his daughter, is simply spitting on Dickie"s legacy. Well said, Eric. It's been me trying to get this guy talking on Blabbermouth. I still can't believe the nerve of some people... |
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Post by otherhalf on Feb 29, 2012 10:43:52 GMT -5
I guess the legality of the situation regarding the release of genuine Blue Cheer material is largely a matter of what exactly has been signed over the years, who signed it and whether they had a right to sign it. I'm in not in a position to take a view on that. But, as Eric says, there is a moral dimension to this, particularly the issue of using the Blue Cheer name for a brand new album/touring band built around Tony Rainier, and I think that as long term fans of the band we're perfectly entitled to take a view on that particular aspect. Mine is set out above and on the Blabbermouth site. In short, I think it's disrespectful to the memory of Dickie Peterson who founded the band and was its life and soul, disrespectful to Duck and Paul who would have a much greater moral claim to the name but wisely decided not to use it, and disrespectful to the fans who reasonably expect anything with Blue Cheer's name on it to be the real deal. It has about as much credibility as the notion of Mick Taylor forming a band of newbies and calling it the Rolling Stones.
There's a limit to what we can do about this as fans, but there are a few things we can do...
Firstly, I think making our views known here is important as there are many (non-posting) visitors to this site.
Secondly, the ShroomAngel/Mike Bodack announcement on Blabbermouth and elsewhere indicates that the two upcoming archive Blue Cheer releases are being put out "in order to showcase the Tony Rainier period of Blue Cheer"...i.e. pave the way for acceptance of the new band. Well I don't want to buy into that process or feel part of it, so I'm going to hold off buying any of the ShroomAngel releases until I know for sure what is happening. If others feel strongly about this issue, they might consider boycotting their product too.
Thirdly, the original ShroomAngel/Mike Bodack announcement seems to have been sent round the internet like a rash. I've responded to a couple of instances so have steveleighphens and Eric...perhaps others might have a go, wherever it crops up?
Finally, I assume the Blue Cheer website can't be updated to deal with this issue, but perhaps a view could be expressed on the Myspace site?....or some of the above comments could be carried across?
I would stress that legal issues are for lawyers, and what I'm talking about here is just the moral/ethical issue of calling a new band" Blue Cheer" when the only connection with the original band is that it includes one of the eight lead guitarists who came and went in the line up over the years whilst Dickie pursued his vision for the band.
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