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Post by vonearschplitten on Dec 15, 2007 14:41:23 GMT -5
Guess what? Iggy and the Stooges are back together! I'm a fan of The Stooges and the MC5 as well as Blue Cheer. Went on "yahoo" and typed in "The Stooges", and found their web-site, plus they had videos of their most recent concerts! It was so exciting--reminded me so much of the "youtube" stuff of recent Blue Cheer concert footage. Like BC, Iggy and the Ashetons still have the same energy they had in the 60s!
What do you guys think of getting Blue Cheer and The Stooges together for a tour? I don't know how many fans of BC would like seeing the Stooges as a bonus, but I think if fans of both groups saw them together, there might be some mutual admiration. Lots of similarities. Both bands pushed the envelope of 60s rock WAY beyond the norm. What do you think?
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Post by ddye on Dec 15, 2007 15:08:10 GMT -5
I LOVE the Stooges, and I think that Funhouse is one of the best albums of all time, but I think Blue Cheer carries it off better at this point. I wouldn't want to see Iggy without the craziness and the chaos, it would be kinda sad in my opinion.
Doug
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Dec 15, 2007 15:23:08 GMT -5
I think this topic was covered here a couple times once before.
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Post by gypsyball on Dec 15, 2007 16:27:25 GMT -5
I think this topic was covered here a couple times once before. And I recall it wasn't very pretty either. |
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Post by vonearschplitten on Dec 19, 2007 19:29:25 GMT -5
I LOVE the Stooges, and I think that Funhouse is one of the best albums of all time, but I think Blue Cheer carries it off better at this point. I wouldn't want to see Iggy without the craziness and the chaos, it would be kinda sad in my opinion. Doug I love the "Funhouse" record to just like everyone else, but what drew me to the Stooges the first time was their debut album and the racuous guitar stylings of Ron Asheton. The first time I heard him, I actually said: "This guy plays just like Leigh Stephens--minus the whammy bar!" Not a whole lot of real soloing involved, just a lot of toying around with the wah-wah pedal and the fuzztone, and creating sonic poetry by adding layers of "out-of-sync" guitar overdubbing--again, very much like Leigh Stephens, and very cool! I've always thought that inexperience can often give birth to creativity, and it was also true of The Edge from U2. The rock guitar magazines have finally awoken to this fact and have given props to Ron Asheton and The Edge for their originality, but still refuse to give credit to Leigh Stephens for doing the same thing. |
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Dec 20, 2007 8:13:46 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad for Leigh. As awesome as he was then, he has no appreciation whatsoever today for the genius of his own invention. Maybe he took the criticism of the "more experienced" musicians of the day too far to heart but the man refuses to acknowledge just how influential he was.
And please, do not mention the Edge in the company of these other guys!
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Post by rowenafaerie on Dec 20, 2007 10:35:07 GMT -5
i for one am tired of hearing leigh run down. just because his taste changed as he grew up and moved onto other things does not negate his genius debut and i don't think he cares, anymore than the other "cheers," what anyone says about what he does. and he has come to accept that he did something outstanding there, but he refuses to look back. you gotta admire that somewhat. just like some people who look at old pictures and say "what was i thinking?" about the look they were sporting back then, he seems to have done the same thing with his blue cheer output but his myspace site does definitely acknowledge where he got started and that he did achieve brilliance there. he's a gemini. continuity is not their strong suit, but invention and changeability are...which was why he was so great on those 2 albums. he hasn't forgotten what heavy is, he has chosen to channel it into something else. good luck to him!
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Dec 20, 2007 13:45:21 GMT -5
I wasn't ragging on the way that Leigh plays today or what his musical tastes are. I was ragging on his attitude of indifference to what he accomplished in BC. It's almost to the point where he wishes it was forgotten. I've met the manand can vouch for this.....
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Post by rowenafaerie on Dec 20, 2007 15:16:41 GMT -5
FBL, i do know where you're coming from but if you look on his myspace you will see that he DOES acknowledge his BC legacy, as he calls it...i think he has mellowed a bit in that respect...but suspect he finds it a little annoying that so little due is paid what he's done since...and there are a lot of people who seem to think he should still be doing THAT; he's obviously not looking to duplicate his past and i'm sure there's a lot of emotional reasons for that, not just musical. i'm just saying not everyone wants to look back and WE have the benefit of what he did whether he cares or not!
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Post by 56buzz on Dec 20, 2007 16:22:33 GMT -5
I gotta go with FBL on this, I too have talked to Leigh and heard firsthand his "I don't live in the past" routine. Frankly, I think it's a cop-out. OK the guy has to live in his own skin but, what do you think the band would have been like if he'd have rejoined back years ago, it would have been helpful to say the least, and as far as his work after his days in BC...well listen to it ...it's pretty uninspired overall and he's doing almost 50% cover material these days anyway so there isn't much new or inventive there no matter what he's like you to believe. I am disappointed that he's left his birthright on the table...
p.s. IMO "Red Weather" is a great recording...but past that...come on
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Dec 20, 2007 18:01:32 GMT -5
In addition, as exciting as the Chet Fest Reunion show was, Leigh did NOT give us a BC performance. And it appeared that he really didn't try to. I wish that he & Dickie has just played different material. I know his playing evolved but at least if you are doing a one-off, give the people what they expect. This wasn't a Cream concert!!! And not to get too personal, but when I met him and told him (matter of factly, not like a fanboy) how much I enjoyed his work with BC and how the band was an influence on my own playing, he looked at me like I was both stoned and insane. That tells me he really doesn't care or has no clue of the magnitude of what he accomplished (quite the opposite of his replacement in BC).
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Post by Crank It on Dec 20, 2007 20:08:46 GMT -5
not to mention he used to use three marshall stacks back in the day - now his sound and his equipment aren't nearly what it used to be so you have to weigh in that fact as well,....remember, the more amps and the more volume the better you are ;D
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Post by Jimmy Chasmitchenoel on Dec 20, 2007 22:33:26 GMT -5
Hey, what Leigh did/does doesn't matter anyway, as he merely copied Hendrix.
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Post by vonearschplitten on Dec 21, 2007 12:37:29 GMT -5
Well, he maybe copied the "easier" aspects of Hendrix, like his obsession with the "whammy bar" on the debut album, but Hendrix never went berzerk with the guitar overdubbing like Leigh did--that, to me, was Leigh's in-studio brilliance! Listen to the end of "Second Time Around"--those are a bunch of fireworks going off from every direction!!
I wished I could have been in the studio to see exactly how he was putting the moves on his guitar the way he did the day they were recording "Second Time Around", but the one "you tube" video I saw of him (not the Randy Holden/Beat Club tape) where they were "guitar syncing" "Summertime Blues", he looked to be happy--had a big smile on his face, like a lot of the photos I've seen of him--he never seemed to not be happy in BC.
I am a fan of BOTH Randy Holden and Leigh Stephens, and to me, comparing the both of them is like comparing apples and oranges (or, maybe "fruit and icebergs"?) They were both good at what they did. Leigh was good at creating a style, and Randy was good at building on a style that was set forth by Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck.
I often wondered if the title of the album "New Improved" was an "insult" to Leigh after his departure, and after reading Randy's story about how he entered the group, if Randy thought he was "regressing" by having to play Leigh's licks like Leigh, or if he "Randified" them.
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Post by Crank it on Dec 21, 2007 13:25:48 GMT -5
I would love to hear a live recording of Randy with BC in late ’68 and or ‘69 I know a few folks on here saw them back in the day,…I’m surprised that nothing has surged yet but from what I heard that Randy did a lot of soloing with them,…..if I’m not mistaken Lemmy from Hawkwind/Motorhead saw them at The Roundhouse in London and spoke about how loud they were ,……
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