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[rowenafair]

not to get too morbid or anything but another death down the blue cheer street, in a way...last month, albert hoffman, inventor of lsd, first tripper, who carried on taking trips into his 90s (about 50 years after he first discovered it!), died at the age of 102. he never changed his mind about acid being a significant tool for "spiritual growth", opening those doors of perception...so maybe all the nutritionists have missed something, huh?

[Stupid Is As Stupid Does]

"acid being a significant tool for "spiritual growth",?!?! What a load of bollocks! Anyone who believes that shit is a complete moron.

[rowenaferri]

ever taken any real acid, stupid is?

[Stupid Is As Stupid Does]

As a matter of fact, I have taken Acid quite a few times, and enjoyed it immensely each time.
I laughed a lot, had some crazy thoughts and ideas, and generally had a great time.
However, I did not have any sort of "spiritual enlightenment/growth" bullshit happen.
That`s such a hippy-dippy, pie-in-the-sky idea, and the fact that folks still buy into that shows just how stupid or acid-addled their brains really are.
Yeah yeah, making music while trippin` may sound awesome, but go back and listen to that music you made "while trippin`" after you`re sober, and it will sound like complete shit.
Drugs are bad and they do absolutely nothing to inspire creativity.

[weedman]

Drugs are bad and they do absolutely nothing to inspire creativity

I beg to differ with that statement The Beatles wrote some of their best music while they were high,...same for Hendrix and other artists from the 60's,...to say that acid doesn't enhance some creativity simply just isn't true,..however, I will also add that you can also write ingenius creative work w/o drugs just as well look at Frank Zappa's work for example you would think he was tripping when he wrote a lot of that music he wrote but in fact he was very much against drugs - he also smoked three packs of cigarettes a day and drank about 18 cups of coffee per day as well,...... what it all comes down to is the individual his or herself and some did it with or without dope

[mind garden]

WHAT A SHAME

[Stupid Is As Stupid Does]

Hmmmmm....didn`t The Beatles eventually denounce Acid?
Didn't drugs eventually kill Hendrix?
What you`re saying is, you don`t mind your favorite artists using drugs so YOU can get off on the music, regardless that it's killing said artist?
What a self-centered thing to imply!
Oh yeah, back to the beatles...yeah man, Sgt. peppers was only the most self-indulgent piece of plastic to come out in the last 50 years, and it`s all thanks to drugs!
Yeah, just where is the "spiritual enlightenment" in that?
Make no mistake...getting high is all about you (the person getting high) and nothing else.
What`s so "spiritual" about numbing your mind to the realities of the world?
Gee, do you think Randy Holden`s music suffers because he doesn`t get "high"?
Listen my friend, just listen........

[rowenafair]

not all drugs numb your mind and not all lsd was/is the same. lots of us DID have spiritual insights, experiences on it...which is not to say that's the only way, or for everyone. have to agree with you that playing on acid is not what it seems! but there were some incredible moments for some players that stayed with them even when the drug wore off. yes, a lot of people did get sidetracked but a lot of them got back on track too. like blue cheer! i personally don't care for randy's stuff (though i never saw him live) so that's not a good example for me...but there are just as many great musicians who did not take drugs as those who did... everyone is different! epiphany! trumpets! (trumpets? egad) live and let live, dude.

what i originally meant about albert h is that he defied all the know-it-alls who say some things are good for you and others bad, and lived to be a hearty 102 yrs old. beat that and THEN tell me acid is "BAD" for you...

[weedman]

Hey Stupid,

Who are you friggin’ Ted Nugent ?

The Beatles never denounced Acid nor did they advocate the use of it either,…..
Sgt., Pepper - no spiritual element? Within you Without not spiritual? Are you kidding? George Harrison wasn't spiritual?
Pepper was only one of the greatest masterpieces in the history of music and I’m sure some drug use played a part in the writing of some of that material,…..

As for Hendrix that’s a debatable issue whether is what just an overdose that killed him or not,…..there are those that say he could have been murdered but no one will probably ever know the real truth what actually caused his death,…..

Talking about self indungancy ,...Mr. Randy Holden,...he was not self indulgent? Yeah right, - that’s why he only tried to take over the band once when he first got into Blue Cheer – that’s why he lasted as long as he did ho hum! Yeah, the guy who claims he influenced Blue Cheer,...yeah, that's a good one!

[frankenpint]

Without a "good living," well...what would we be?

[rowenaferri]

i say no to drugs but they just won't listen!!

[Stupid Is As Stupid Does]

Jun 5, 2008 15:37:16 GMT -5 weedman said:

Hey Stupid,

Who are you friggin’ Ted Nugent ?

The Beatles never denounced Acid nor did they advocate the use of it either,…..
Sgt., Pepper - no spiritual element? Within you Without not spiritual? Are you kidding? George Harrison wasn't spiritual?
Pepper was only one of the greatest masterpieces in the history of music and I’m sure some drug use played a part in the writing of some of that material,…..

As for Hendrix that’s a debatable issue whether is what just an overdose that killed him or not,…..there are those that say he could have been murdered but no one will probably ever know the real truth what actually caused his death,…..

Talking about self indungancy ,...Mr. Randy Holden,...he was not self indulgent? Yeah right, - that’s why he only tried to take over the band once when he first got into Blue Cheer – that’s why he lasted as long as he did ho hum! Yeah, the guy who claims he influenced Blue Cheer,...yeah, that's a good one!

Yeah, George Harrison WAS spiritual, but it had nothing to do with Acid, and as a matter of fact, he stopped doing Acid once he got serious about his sprituality.
Paul McCartney too stopped using it before the 60`s were over.
So Albert Hoffman lived to be 102 years old...big deal.
That`s an exception, not a rule......you don`t see many Acid Casualties live very long.
That`s the same mentality that smokers use..."Hey, this lady in France lived to 105 years old, and she smoked evry day for 80 years!!!"......again, compare the numbers to those who die every day of smoking compared to the few who beat the odds.
Try again dumbass!!

[rowenafair]

not everyone who took acid was a "casualty"...some people will abuse themselves with anything they can get their hands on. some people take heroin without getting addicted! and a large MAJORITY of the oldest people alive never paid any attention to what the authorities say about what's good or bad for you. people who live near kennedy airport new york get lung diseases just like smokers' even when they are NOT...there is no proof anywhere that acid damages the body when used "responsibly". health is an individual matter. keith richards' face shows the years in jamaica on english skin, but his body and brain are doing very well thanks. my point is that we are ALL exceptions to the rule...and speaking of George Harrison transcendental meditation is supposed to IMPROVE your health...WTF

[frankenpint]

Jezz let's look at our posting history, we've had numerous tangeants about an ex Blue Cheer guitarist who for all intents & purposes should've been considered a session player as he only did 3 tracks, a lot of spazzing out about a loser drummer who is so pathetic that he needs to call himself Paul Whaley because he knows y'all will give him the free publicity he wants (and the ironic thing is, the real Paul Whaley couldn't give 2 shits about it) And now, a lame ass half-ass debate about whether or not drugs are bad. Y'all need to get a life and spend more time tokin up and listening to your Blue Cheer records. Maybe, just maybe then we can go back to having interesting conversations about the topic actual topic of this board.....

[riffraff]

"Jezz let's look at our posting history, we've had numerous tangeants about an ex Blue Cheer guitarist who for all intents & purposes should've been considered a session player as he only did 3 tracks, "


......don't you know it is all about quality .....not quantity.....

...session player? .....Randy toured with the band for the good part of a year.... the session players were on Oh! Pleasant Hope!....