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Post by Festooned Piglips on Aug 7, 2007 5:55:57 GMT -5
Say what you will about The Guitar God rereleasing Pop. 2, but there is no denying that THIS will be the version to end all versions!!
So much in fact, that I predict that, once you PURCHASE (not illegally download!!) this version, all the other cd's in your collection will be rendered unplayable.
How, you ask?
Because they will all be so embarrassed by the sheer emotive power of the music contained therein, that the hole in the middle of the cd's will close up and a coat of shame will envelop over the playing area of the discs.
August 30th will be a day of celebration!!!!!!
Matter of fact, I officially declare August 30th POPULATION 2 Day!!!!!!!!
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Post by gypsyball on Aug 7, 2007 7:03:11 GMT -5
Again, your point is.....
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Post by Festooned Piglips on Aug 7, 2007 7:10:20 GMT -5
My point is...If you can make endless posts, so can I  |
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Post by riffraff on Aug 9, 2007 1:03:18 GMT -5
Welcome back, Otherhalf and thanks for outlining how you did some research. Have you been able to catch any of the Tony Hill's Fiction gigs? Have you ever seen Mick Abrahams (ex-Tull / Blodwyn Pig)? Just asking because there is no chance they will come over here.
That is interesting, that Randy was never introduced AND never had his picture included on the album sleeve of the third album. Check out the new picture (cover?) for the Population II remix. America's Jeff Beck?....yah think??...anyways a great picture, much better thatn the original backsleeve shot.
I wouldn't believe much of anything said about an artist to take away from his music. If Dickie, Paul, Leigh , Duck, Randy, Dieter, Gary, Bruce and Tony all wrote books about Blue Cheer, it would all sound like they were talking about a different band....(I exagerrate just to make a point.) I think if you took bits and pieces of each account you would get closer to the truth. The trick is how do you know which pieces to believe and which ones you wouldn't. I was talking to Paul at one of the recent gigs in Chicago, and he was telling me how someone was telling him a story about himself, Paul. Paul said he didn't remember it that way at all, but then who was he other than the principal person who would know, which doesn't count for anything in the rock band. So all we could do was shake our heads. So you are going to hear this and that. Hey, this band has gone through alot. Any band goes through alot. It is very hard to make a living in the business, although the record executives continue to do well. When Randy asked Dickie if he had done the paper work to copywrite the name, he replied the usual "no", but he also said that Blue Cheer was dead. Dickie was into his newest project Mother Ocean. But then as usual with Dickie something happened and he did a complete 180 and was back promoting Blue Cheer. Now I don't have a timeline, and I didn't bring it up with Dickie when I had a chance to talk with him. But Randy secured it for Dickie. Now if you search interviews with Randy Pratt, here and there come out statements about some of his grandiose plans for Blue Cheer. (I think I posted a link to one a couple of months back). Now Pratt is into promoting all this '60's bands. I believe he is involved with Cactus, Vanilla Fudge and now Johnny Winter. Now I think most of this is harmless. But the band got defensive. And I don't know all the details. But Duck is running the band , and he is doing a decent job. Unfortunately the business matters have to be attended to. Dickie has already said numerous times that that is beyond him. Also Dickie will say he never reads these bulletin boards, because there is so much bull**** written. I do think Dickie's book (if he ever finishes it) would be very interesting. It would also open up some of the discussion. I am blabbing on and on.......probably wrote too much....
Feedback, I was only comparing the Leigh led band to Randy's time with the band. It would be interesting to see how many gigs were done and where. I didn't realize Dieter had done numerous gigs with Blue Cheer. From Otherhalf's post maybe the European tour in late'68 & '69 was not that long....
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Post by otherhalf on Aug 9, 2007 5:51:58 GMT -5
Thanks for those comments Rif Raff and Feedbacklourde. Just a couple of things to add re. the European tour, they definitely went on to Germany (where Beat Club was recorded) and I’m pretty sure that Hamburg was one of the dates, but Melody Maker doesn’t mention Germany at all. Whether they came again to mainland Europe in 1969 I don’t know (but I doubt it). They certainly didn’t visit the UK again for 20 years or so. As to Randy not being introduced at the Roundhouse, I don’t think it was some personal slight against Randy, I don’t remember anyone being introduced.... and I could simply have forgotten, as it was nearly 39 years ago. If anyone is in touch with Dickie or Randy , let us know whether they recall any TV recordings in the UK or Holland. I’d be happy to ask the BBC if they have anything in the archives if there is some recollection that a TV date actually took place.
As regards the trademark issue, it seems a very unusual step for someone to register a trademark in their own name but on behalf of somebody else. I still think it probable that it was done to give Randy options and leverage, and it must have created an additional level of difficulty when the actual Blue Cheer wanted to start touring and releasing records in the USA, and that’s what really annoyed me. However, in fairness, Randy never tried to record or gig as “Blue Cheer” (it would be like Mick Taylor touring as the Rolling Stones) and presumably the issue is resolved somehow now. There is still a question hanging over this thread though, as to why the website link was dropped?
I guess the only way of clearing the air completely would be for Randy to explain what went on and why. That’s not likely to happen, so I’m going to let this trademark issue go now, but I just thought it worth drawing attention to the more serious issue behind some of the ragging that goes on.
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Post by doug on Aug 9, 2007 6:21:46 GMT -5
Blue Cheer played in Stockholm,Sweden,on october 31st 1968 and the swedish radio wanted to record the consert for their series of live radio broadcast but Blue Cheer did not approve.That fall Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, Electric Prunes were broadcast from the same venue and those shows are availible on cd....
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Post by Festooned Piglips on Aug 9, 2007 6:36:08 GMT -5
Blue Cheer played in Stockholm,Sweden,on october 31st 1968 and the swedish radio wanted to record the consert for their series of live radio broadcast but Blue Cheer did not approve.That fall Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, Electric Prunes were broadcast from the same venue and those shows are availible on cd.... More than likely it was Randy Holden who did not approve of the concert being broadcast, as no doubt even then he was wary of bootleggers, and just knew that, 30+ years down the road it would be sold and/or downloaded without Randy getting one red cent. |
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Aug 9, 2007 10:22:00 GMT -5
Here is the story behind the copyright as recently told to me by someone really close to Randy. Basically there was actually some interest on Randy's part in doing a sort of BC Mark 2 reunion. Yes, Randy did call up Dickie about whether or not he trademarked the name and yes Dickie told him no and that BC was dead (for that time at least). So Randy Pratt, in all his "kindness" decided to go ahead and trademark the name on Randy's behalf with the intention that Randy could possibly start playing with Paul again (AND I KNOW Paul wasn't in on this scheme) and if things started clicking, start putting something together business-wise then approach Dickie with an offer to be part of this BC Mark 2 project. The premise behind all this was for the sake of "actually putting a BC deal together that would make money because Dickie has no business sense." While this may have seemed to come from good intentions, in my not so humble opinion the whole thing was underhanded and very condescending & disrespectful to Dickie, who as we all know IS BLUE FUCKING CHEER!!! And if Dickie were stupid and went with this, you really think Randy would let him front the band that is his or give him much creatibe input? Hell no, it would be the Randy Holden band with BC as the sidemen. But the name would sell, wouldn't it?
I would like to add that despite all this, Randy has not nor has any intentions of using the BC name nor does he want to stand in Dickie's way with it. The whole thing was a stupid idea carried out without considering the possible consequences. Can we drop this subject now?
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Post by Festooned piglips on Aug 9, 2007 16:38:45 GMT -5
No, we can not let this drop. As early as February this year, Randy Pratt's web site touted a CD titled "Randy Holden's (little words) BLUE CHEER (Big words). He went on to brag how he and Holden had spent endless hours tracking down 'former blue cheer players' (Paul) to formulate a revival of BLUE CHEER. Whoever you talked to, fbl, was giving you the politically correct version of the true intentions ... hoodwink Paul with offer of money, hopefully force Dickie in a moment of insanity to agree to sit in and once for all, attempt to claim the name BLUE CHEER. Didn't work but it should have
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Post by babylon on Aug 9, 2007 18:02:02 GMT -5
Wow - this silly bullshit is still going on - now I know why I never bother to log on to this board anymore!
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Aug 9, 2007 18:08:52 GMT -5
Randy never tried to record or gig as “Blue Cheer” (it would be like Mick Taylor touring as the Rolling Stones) and presumably the issue is resolved somehow now. There is still a question hanging over this thread though, as to why the website link was dropped
Let the record show that this action was NOT sanctioned by the band. So who wants to talk about the new BC album that's being released in 2 weeks? Or would you rather plug the 85th edition of POP2 (still without fucking bonus tracks)?
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Post by Festooned Piglips on Aug 10, 2007 4:51:48 GMT -5
I'm all for putting aside my talk of Randy Holden (albeit temporarily) to talk about the new album, but......What is there to talk about? Has anyone heard any tracks off of it yet (aside from what's on the myspace page)? Which drummer plays on which tracks? Hell, until I have it in my grubby little hands, my faith in seeing this released is on hold. Sorry if that seems a little cynical, but there have been too many possible dates for this thing to be released (and it NOT be released or pushed back further), and I ain't holding my breath until I actually have a physical copy. I dare venture others may feel the same way.......
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Post by riffraff on Aug 10, 2007 18:47:10 GMT -5
and now complete silence.......
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Post by riffraff on Aug 10, 2007 19:01:33 GMT -5
ahhh..complete BULLOCKS!
Just to take this as an example of why BBs kinda suck...anyone can post..fans..non-fans...juvinile delinquents...people with a personal vendetta....
Paul and Randy, Dickie and Randy have each others phone numbers and can call each other anytime they want. It would not take endless hours to track anybody down...
Hoodwink Paul with the money...I doubt it. Dickie had just said that he would never again play with Paul. Randy offered Paul an opportunity for Paul to get back on track, which he gratefully (for most Blue Cheer fans) accepted and started to turn turn things around.
Dickie was called also to play on Guitar God but never got back to Randy. It was never a Blue Cheer project just simply a solo project. Just like Dickie did when he did Child of the Darkness.
Randy Pratt might put the workd together, but they are only to call attention to him. I believe he has a record company now and wouldn't mind extending his catalogue.
End of example. I don't have the time or the patience to go through all the b.s. posts, (and I can't spot all of them) but new posters and visiters can get the idea. You generally skip over the b.s. and patiently wait for some poster of substance..
and wait for the next tour dates to be announced...
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Post by frankenpint on Aug 10, 2007 20:34:02 GMT -5
So then how does Randy feel about his "kickstarting Paul's getting back on track" resulting in him working regularly now with BC while he is left continuously releasing his first (and seemingly only) solo record?
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