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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 18:09:03 GMT -5
It looks like the new website is a go. It will be difficult to gather all of the necessary info and pictures without a lot of help, which is why I am starting this thread. Here's what's up; we'll start a new site, focusing on the new band, and try to gain a new audience for BC, but the old site will remain as an archive, for the cool older stuff on it. The new site will be modern looking, and will have lots of pictures, sound samples, and other media for new fans (and old ones) to check out. When BC is done with the tour we'll add an online store for merchandising to the masses. NO ONE IS GETTING ANY MONEY UPFRONT WHATSOEVER FOR THIS, INCLUDING ME! My company is paying for the hosting and everything else. Do the 1%ers want to contribute to the new site? If so, you will be given full credit for anything you offer. We need help in gathering material (text) about the "new" band's history, the "old" band's history, researching the bands who've been influenced by Blue Cheer, bios of the current lineup, and other stuff. We REALLY NEED LARGE PICTURES!!!! Again, any pictures and text will be fully credited to the contributors. I'd also like to do a bit on the 1%ers, and their place in BC history. If you can help, I need to emphasize that we want to really focus on the NEW band. The old band has tons of material on the old site, and we can use that freely on the new site, but it's the NEW band out there pushing the new CD, killing themselves on the road. Let's give Duck his due here, let's give Paul and Dickie some props for sticking it out and finally kicking ass in the USA again. Think about the potential NEW fans when you write. Imagine a 24 year old that heard about Blue Cheer and wants to check out their website. He's not going to care much who played on what songs on "Original Human Being" in 1970, he's really not. If you want to help BC, think about what that imaginary 24 year old WOULD like to see to make him a fan. Then when you meet that guy at a BC concert you can say, "Yeah, I helped put that site together". What do YOU think the new site ought to be like? If you know of a really cool band website that you'd like to offer for a design concept, post it here. If you have any ideas about the site content post them here. Most importantly, if you are an "expert" on Blue Cheer, and want to help, write something about them and POST IT HERE! Remember though, we need permission for all content from other sources. Anything confidential or whatever, PM me, or email me at doug@richmondmedia.com OK, I've said my piece, you can start trashing me now...  Doug |
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Oct 4, 2007 19:17:16 GMT -5
I think I'll pass. We got the old site for the archive reasons (and it is the most perfect and comprehensive band site ever). AND the MySpace site is currently serving as the new Official site (just read the back of the album covers).
Who said your new site is a go? Did anyone from the band OK this? What gives you the right to use anything from the old site on yours? And what do you mean by "new band?" BC has had the same lineup for 1/2 their career. And can you actually define what the "1%" is?
You can call this "thrashing" if your skin is that thin. I view it as a poster taking his right to question your motives....
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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 19:20:29 GMT -5
Duck gave the OK. We're moving the hosting over this month, I am looking through the old server files right now.
I know what the 1% is, I was posting on the old Artist Direct board, weren't you?
Anything else?
Thanks for your valuable contributions,
Doug
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Oct 4, 2007 19:26:54 GMT -5
Well...I guess I just have to do some checking with the appropriate people and see if you're for real. If you're gonna come on here out of the woodwork all high & mighty and full of yourself, you're gonna get your card called. Being that you were on the old message board, I think you'll remember all the "do=gooders" that posted saying what they were gonna do to help the band that were all talking out of their asses. Scuze me for not simply just handing you a free pass.
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Post by riffraff on Oct 4, 2007 19:34:08 GMT -5
Yeah, Doug...
I think this is a good thing. The band really needs a site to sell their music , t-shirts....dvd's, etc. You can't do that on myspace...and those sites are rather tacky, with everyone promoting their own band. I will email you some ideas shortly...
Thanks for your effort, now and future...
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Post by mr maltese on Oct 4, 2007 19:38:37 GMT -5
I agree with Feedback Lourde - in all honesty Doug
I don’t think trying to get young kids to like a band that’s been around almost 40 years isn’t going to work because to be honest if a young kid is going to like a band like Blue Cheer he or she will search and or seek them out on their own if they are a true music lover - A band should never try to reach out to a particular audience especially if it's a wrong audience that could lead to the demise of any good rock band. Trying to become more popular or to just simply try to sell more is sometimes not in a bands best interest and you keep making reference to the “new” band, what new band? Two thirds of the original lineup have been playing since they’ve re-united in the mid eighties and Duck has been with them since 1988 so why would we refer to them as the new band?,…I LIKE the OLD band and I think most on this board would agree with me on this....in all honesty Doug, BC doesn’t need another website the already existing site and their myspace page are just fine with me
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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 19:38:38 GMT -5
Well...I guess I just have to do some checking with the appropriate people and see if you're for real. If you're gonna come on here out of the woodwork all high & mighty and full of yourself, you're gonna get your card called. Being that you were on the old message board, I think you'll remember all the "do=gooders" that posted saying what they were gonna do to help the band that were all talking out of their asses. Scuze me for not simply just handing you a free pass. That's cool. I'd really like to know where I was "full of myself". If I gave that impression I am truly sorry. I'm used to dealing with straight clients all the time, and I have to come off as some kind of internet expert, maybe that carried over to my posting here. Again, I apologize. I started this thread because people like you, who have a great deal more knowledge than I do about BC, could do a far better job than I of finding resources for the site. I have only been to one BC show in my life, and I simply don't have the resources (like pictures, etc.) to do the website justice. I do know enough to know that a really modern site could help make them money, and I do modern business sites. As far as the "new" band, I see so much of the "original" band on the internet, I thought that concentrating on the "Duck" version of the band would highlight their new CDs better. Hell, the "old" band was what got us all to be fans in the first place. To everyone; I am truly not trying to come off as anything other than a guy asking for help for the website. It would be much better if the people who loved the band could help explain to the world why Blue Cheer is worthy of their attention. This is the only way I knew how to ask. Doug |
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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 19:49:33 GMT -5
I agree with Feedback Lourde - in all honesty Doug I don’t think trying to get young kids to like a band that’s been around almost 40 years isn’t going to work because to be honest if a young kid is going to like a band like Blue Cheer he or she will search and or seek them out on their own if they are a true music lover - A band should never try to reach out to a particular audience especially if it's a wrong audience that could lead to the demise of any good rock band. Trying to become more popular or to just simply try to sell more is sometimes not in a bands best interest and you keep making reference to the “new” band, what new band? Two thirds of the original lineup have been playing since they’ve re-united in the mid eighties and Duck has been with them since 1988 so why would we refer to them as the new band?,…I LIKE the OLD band and I think most on this board would agree with me on this....in all honesty Doug, BC doesn’t need another website the already existing site and their myspace page are just fine with me You make some great points there. I would only suggest that at the BC show I saw in Virginia last year, there were a lot of people there who'd just sort of wandered in, and apparently knew nothing about BC. One guy literally yelled out, "I never heard of you guys, but you fucking ROCK!" When I saw the article in Rolling Stone last year about BC at CBGBs, I wondered how those people reading the magazine could actually get interested in BC, when there wasn't much at all out there about the current lineup. I know how long Duck's been with the band, and I love the current version. I was trying to say that since they're the band recording and trying to sell CDs, that I'd like to make sure that they get their due on the internet. Another great point you made was about the original site and the MySpace site being OK with you. As a web designer, I HATE MySpace, but that's just me. I think the current site is one of the most fascinating pieces of rock history on the entire internet, but in my opinion (and only my opinion) it's geared towards people like us, who know BC, love BC, and like to see pictures of Gary Yoder, etc. I eat that stuff up, but would those guys at the Virginia show who'd never heard of BC before that night? The 1%ers probably don't NEED a new website, although I did read pages of complaints about the old one right here in this forum. You guys don't need to be sold on BC, you guys know where to find CDs and T-shirts and everything else BC has. You guys have supported the band through thick and thin. The guys deserve a chance to get a bigger market for themselves, God knows they've earned it. I just offered to take what I know about business sites and try to help, that's all. Doug |
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Post by mr maltese on Oct 4, 2007 19:51:16 GMT -5
To everyone; I am truly not trying to come off as anything other than a guy asking for help for the website. It would be much better if the people who loved the band could help explain to the world why Blue Cheer is worthy of their attention.
Exactly what I meant in my previous post the world doesn’t need to have the attention brought to them in order to see if BC is worthy,….it’s actually the masses that tend to generally like a lot of bad music and that could be bad vibes for a band like BC,…BC has always been an underground band and they still are even today and I’d much rather see them perform to audiences that appreciate them for what they are….a band should never have to change in order to appeal to a mass audience,..I’m sorry Doug but that’s not what Blue Cheer is about
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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 19:53:58 GMT -5
To everyone; I am truly not trying to come off as anything other than a guy asking for help for the website. It would be much better if the people who loved the band could help explain to the world why Blue Cheer is worthy of their attention. Exactly what I meant in my previous post the world doesn’t need to have the attention brought to them in order to see if BC is worthy,….it’s actually the masses that tend to generally like a lot of bad music and that could be bad vibes for a band like BC,…BC has always been an underground band and they still are even today and I’d much rather see them perform to audiences that appreciate them for what they are….a band should never have to change in order to appeal to a mass audience,..I’m sorry Doug but that’s not what Blue Cheer is about Ok, again, that's perfectly cool. But if it was me busting my ass out there after 4o years, I don't know how excited I'd be about staying "underground". And I don't think that upgrading your promo (which is basically what a website is) is "changing" anything. But again, that's just me, your opinion is every bit as valid as mine. Doug P.S. I've got to run out for a bit, I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thanks to all for the dialog. |
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Post by mr maltese on Oct 4, 2007 19:57:18 GMT -5
but in my opinion (and only my opinion) it's geared towards people like us
Exactly Doug ,it should ONLY be geared for people like us here on this board - belive me the folks out there that like good rock n' roll
will find out about bands like BC just by word of mouth - that has happened even before the internet
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Post by mr maltese on Oct 4, 2007 20:03:18 GMT -5
Ok, again, that's perfectly cool. But if it was me busting my ass out there after 4o years, I don't know how excited I'd be about staying "underground".
They're playing not just for the mere fact just to make money - true everyone needs money to survive but BC are not doing it to try and become the biggest thing in the world either - besides, the folks who know about them and what they're all about are coming out to see them
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Post by FeedbackLourde on Oct 4, 2007 20:21:23 GMT -5
Doug,
I realize that you when you first started this thread you were a bit excited. Here's where it went wrong for me...like in that thread where you & Frankenpint had it out, you started this whole thing off spouting out that you were you were doing a brand new site for the band that was gonna help sell their wares and will replace the the old site, etc. BUT you didn't give us any kind of back ground on this (ie, hey guys, I spoke with Duck and pitched this idea yadda yadda). Instead it came across as you telling us how things were gonna be from now one. AND then the invitation to give you grief over it just seemed to indicate that you were spoiling for a fight. And as you know, that will go a long way on this board :-). So I decided to question you about in the most blunt way I could. The 1% has a tendency to be overprotective of their band.
As for additional feedback, I agree with Maltese. I know a band needs to build a following to survive but I hate seeing any band pander to the younger crowd. It usually results in the band doing what they think the "kiddies" want at the expense of the real hardcore followers. What I've observed at the shows is that the younger crowd either doesn't get BC or when they do, they just get into it as hardcore as the rest of us (AND YES, they will buy they Original Human Being and all the other BC albums). I say that the Cheer keep on doing what they do best and they will continue to draw a hardcore following that truly appreciates what they do.
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Post by ddye on Oct 4, 2007 21:08:39 GMT -5
Doug, I realize that you when you first started this thread you were a bit excited. Here's where it went wrong for me...like in that thread where you & Frankenpint had it out, you started this whole thing off spouting out that you were you were doing a brand new site for the band that was gonna help sell their wares and will replace the the old site, etc. BUT you didn't give us any kind of back ground on this (ie, hey guys, I spoke with Duck and pitched this idea yadda yadda). Instead it came across as you telling us how things were gonna be from now one. AND then the invitation to give you grief over it just seemed to indicate that you were spoiling for a fight. And as you know, that will go a long way on this board :-). So I decided to question you about in the most blunt way I could. The 1% has a tendency to be overprotective of their band. As for additional feedback, I agree with Maltese. I know a band needs to build a following to survive but I hate seeing any band pander to the younger crowd. It usually results in the band doing what they think the "kiddies" want at the expense of the real hardcore followers. What I've observed at the shows is that the younger crowd either doesn't get BC or when they do, they just get into it as hardcore as the rest of us (AND YES, they will buy they Original Human Being and all the other BC albums). I say that the Cheer keep on doing what they do best and they will continue to draw a hardcore following that truly appreciates what they do. OK, that's valid, I AM excited, I have followed BC since I was a kid. I once talked our bass player at the time into reviewing all of the songs on the 4th album, just because I liked the album so much that I wanted to make sure that he LISTENED TO IT. I didn't mention Duck because I didn't want to drop names like I was all that, the truth is that Eric introduced us via email and I made a proposal that he liked enough to give the go ahead. As far as a "younger" crowd, again, maybe I was painting a picture there, I want to design a rock 'n roll site, maybe the "young" thing was a reach, but really, at the show I saw, the kids were crazy about BC. Sorry about the "trash me" stuff, I was being a smartass because...hell, have you READ the posts here? Trashing people's like a blood sport here lots of the time. I was honestly trying to be a bit of a smartass and fit in. Anyway, I really want people to contribute, I think it would be a good thing, and I don't mind being questioned about my integrity or anything else, and you're right, people here are VERY protective of the band. By the way, is anyone else going to the Virginia Beach show? Doug |
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Post by gypsyball on Oct 4, 2007 21:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Doug... I think this is a good thing. The band really needs a site to sell their music , t-shirts....dvd's, etc. You can't do that on myspace...and those sites are rather tacky, with everyone promoting their own band. I will email you some ideas shortly... Thanks for your effort, now and future... I agree with Riffraff on this one, as long it is carefully planned and thought out. |
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