New website. Do you wanna contribute?

[ddye]

I agree that it would be possible to put some older stuff on a website, but I am not going to take the slightest chance that the "official" BC site could get sued. It's not my ass on the line, it's the band's. Besides, the samples I'm using are all from albums that BC owns the rights to, and they're paid directly from any sales, as far as I know. The exception is Dining With Sharks (out of print), for which I used my perogative, because I really wanted to post "Big Noise Tonight". I freaking LOVE that song! Even so, Dining With Sharks is still in the relatively modern era for BC.

Doug

frankenpint said:

Yeah, I can really see a past record company suing Blue Cheer for putting up their own music that they recorded despite the fact that the record company won't even release it themselves!

[Scheisssauw]

ddye said:

The exception is Dining With Sharks (out of print), for which I used my perogative, because I really wanted to post "Big Noise Tonight". I freaking LOVE that song! Even so, Dining With Sharks is still in the relatively modern era

frankenpint said:

Yeah, I can really see a past record company suing Blue Cheer for putting up their own music that they recorded despite the fact that the record company won't even release it themselves!

You better hope Roland Hoffman doesn't sue you!

[WholeLottaShakin]

www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=661013891&channel=315980649
George Michalski & Dickie Peterson LIVE @ George Michalski's 50th anniversary performance Larkspur CA 2007

www.richkirch.com/discography.html
Dickie’s good friend Richie Kirch, guitarist for John Lee Hooker before John Lee passed on.

www.madisonavenuejournal.com/2006/06/26/blue_cheers_place_in_myspace/index.php
Here’s some tidbits from a great review, this guy gets it … and got the chops to back up his opinion:
• Dickie Peterson is the first one out of the Blue Cheer van and I recognize him instantly even though it's been 38 years since he took away a bit of my hearing at some West Coast show. He strides into Northsix carrying his bass guitar, and with that hair and bracelets and cowboy boots and little tinted glasses and bad skin and that psychedelic aura even at age 59 radiating from him, we might as well be standing in the Haight in the Summer Of Love. Peterson is small and coiled, but he has a cocky walk and suggests a cross between Gregory Corso and Sam Peckinpah.
• The next one in is Paul Whaley, Blue Cheer's original drummer, who I don't recognize at all. He's also 59, and started the band as a long-haired freak like Peterson, but in his sports shirt, baggy shorts, ordinary haircut and turned-around baseball cap he looks like an aging Bowery Boy. He has steady eyes and a powerful grip.
• Their lead guitarist Andrew "Duck" MacDonald has been with them two decades and signs my live and quite rare 1988 concert album, "Blitzkrieg Over Nuremberg." He's about 50 and has that handsome build and long straight hair past the shoulders that's probably broken a lot of hearts on the road.
• Patricia Kennealy Morrison and I were at RCA Records handling the advertising and promotion for Jefferson Airplane, and we knew Blue Cheer was a breed apart from the gentle souls of Quicksilver, It's A Beautiful Day, Pacific Gas & Electric, and such. Peterson, Whaley and a lead guitarist set out not just to become the first power trio in rock, but the loudest band in the history of the universe.
• The Show. It's a full house. Debbie at the bar has let me in early to secure the end space on the top row of bleachers that's 100 feet from center stage. It's as far away as I can get and not have to stand. To my pleasant surprise, the crowd is mostly young--post-college, metrosexuals, more smart-looking women in their 20s than I'd expect. This is not your Arctic-Monkeys-Cute-Boy group. This is the Hard Stuff.
• I think about going backstage to congratulate the band, but there's a long line waiting for the dressing room and hey, it's a lot of 19-year-old fashionistas in their off-the-shoulder numbers. I figure Blue Cheer's paid their respects to this senior citizen and would do better with some fresh blood. Rockers always do.

www.bluecheerfan.com/bluecheer_story.htm

www.getreadytorock.com/rock_stars/dickie_peterson.htm

www.vintageguitar.com/artists/details.asp?ID=76
This one is a Leigh interview but a BLUE CHEER mention … It’s a tag, anyway …

www.perkele.it/monografie/schmidt/daverec.htm Whatever language this is in, they claim the guitarist in the electric photo is Dickie and the dude at the bottom, looking real happy and suckin up smoke is Paul … looks like it ... after some days of serious road work …

rudi-roelz.de/musiker/lg_blue-cheer-bassist.jpg


and just for fun, this one because of the Cheer reference:
www.bluesdawg.com/bios.htm

A promising future with Blue Cheer was cut short when he decided not to throw his drum kit into the audience after the last note of "Summertime Blues."[/color]

[ddye]

Could someone check out the picture of BC in this link from WholeLottaShakin?

babequ.multiply.com/journal

It's the Kim Fowler version of the band, right?

Thanks,

Doug

[mikethedrummer]

Doug,

You're right, it's the Kim Fowley sponsored version of the band. It looks like this photo is from the same session as one that was used in that Back Door Man article I posted, circa 1975. Terry Rae on drums, Ruben DeFeuentes on lead, Jerre Peterson on rhythm.

Mike

[ddye]

Thanks Mike, Gypsyball confirmed that too. The guitar player looked a little too pretty to be in Blue Cheer...

Doug

mikethedrummer said:

Doug,

You're right, it's the Kim Fowley sponsored version of the band. It looks like this photo is from the same session as one that was used in that Back Door Man article I posted, circa 1975. Terry Rae on drums, Ruben DeFeuentes on lead, Jerre Peterson on rhythm.

Mike

[ze old shuffle]

what i'd like to know is why the old site wuz stolen from frank if the intention all along wuz to make a brand new one anyway

[ddye]

I can't help you with that at all, I don't know a thing about any of that. But the old site will remain online as a link from the "new" site, the old site isn't going anywhere. As a matter of fact, the old site will revert to it's "older" state, ie, that funky blue color will be gone, and the site will look as it appeared before.

Doug

ze said:

what i'd like to know is why the old site wuz stolen from frank if the intention all along wuz to make a brand new one anyway

[FeedbackLourde]

Hey Doug,

Will you put the Randy Holden link back on the old site? It's deletion was not sanctioned by the band, despite what people like Festooned Piglips would have us believe.

[Festooned Piglips]

Funny you should mention that, because I was gonna go one further and suggest they dedicate an entire page to the founder of BC, guitarist extraordinaire, the talented painter, Mr. Randy Holden himself.

[featheredfish]

I hope that this is a nice clean website and that you aren`t going to ruin it by adding about a hundred pages of interviews and magazine articles as they have done to Frank`s site under the heading of `World Tour 2007`. I mean, once you`ve read one interview, you`ve read them all. Interviewers tend to ask the same questions and get the same answers over and over again. Some people on this Message Board keep posting more and more links to references to Blue Cheer from the media. I for one do not follow them. We don`t need other people (meaning the media) who are probably discovering the band for the very first time, telling us over and over again why Blue Cheer is such a great band. We already know!
But tell me! Why do you need sound clips? Considering that only Blue Cheer fans are likely to be logging on to the website and are familiar with all the songs, why add song clips? Show me the Blue Cheer fan who doesn`t have all their albums! Then there`s the copyright issue on some of the albums. I believe that there has been a legal issue for some time concerning who owns the rights to the three Nebellung albums. Do you need permission to copy parts of any of those songs as sound clips? Also, do Track Records hold copyright on the first two albums or has that copyright been rescinded? They were the last label to reissue those albums.
Are you planning to sell albums through the website? Remember that the band only receives the same pittance for every album sold, irrespective of what the selling price is. Have you found a way to cut out all the middle men in the music business so that Blue Cheer benefit more from the sale of an album on the website as opposed to elsewhere? The music buying public will always go looking for the best deal when it comes to buying albums. Can you compete with Amazon, for instance?
Just my ten cents worth! Hope there`s more positive there to consider than negative.

[Terence Belcher]

These so-called soundclips are just a polite way of asking for bootleg recordings no one else has.

[Marley Bone]

Nobody owns the INTERNET -Having said that -copy write problems arise when commercial use of a product is the intention.
The old site should be frozen in time linked to the new one -no changes at all and that includes any deletions or additions .

[rowenafaire]

some good points but 1) hopefully some new people will find their way to the new site 2) i for one have NOT got all the albums - i didn't know they were still around for all these years till just recently and 3) as far as sales go there can be a LINK to amazon or whatever is the best place. also i would hope it would be ultimately the band's decision what material was included. i'm with the others who do not want the old site destroyed or diminished . i'm sure there are LOTS of old fans who have lost touch. which is why some way of grabbing folks' attention would be helpful. is the band having any input on this or could they care less??

[ddye]

As far as interviews and articles from other sources, there is a links page for this stuff, so no, there will be no direct articles from other sources on the site. The only help with the links I've gotten so far is from WholeLottaShakin. If anyone else has any links, please send them.

As far as sound clips, and your comment about site visitors, if "only Blue Cheer fans are likely to be logging on to the website and are familiar with all the songs", then the new site will have failed miserably. As you said, you guys don't need sound clips, but then again, you guys don't really need a new website. The new site is specifically designed and optimized to drive NEW traffic to the site, and new audience to Blue Cheer's NEW projects. I have spoken with Duck regarding the copyright issues. I may pull the Dining With Sharks clips, it is out of print, and the only reason (as I said in another post) I used them is that I personally love "Big Noise". Look at it as web designer's perogative...

For now, album sales will be linked through Amazon. There will be online sales after the tour. Although the CDs that Blue Cheer has on hand can be sold through the site, I'd guess that the main sales point will be T-Shirts and other items. I have no desire to know about the band's royalty arrangements, that's really none of my business.

Finally, the new site will be primarily to "enlighten" the world about BC and their new projects, the old site will remain intact for historical interest. I have borrowed some content from the old site for the band's history (and edited it down to the bare bones), but if someone else would like to take a crack at it, you are very welcome. Keep in mind that it has to be VERY brief, hopefully 300-400 words.

The site is about 90% complete, and after the CD of pictures arrives, I hope to post the site within a few days afterwards. Please send suggestions, additional content and advice.

Thanks,

Doug

featheredfish said:

I hope that this is a nice clean website and that you aren`t going to ruin it by adding about a hundred pages of interviews and magazine articles as they have done to Frank`s site under the heading of `World Tour 2007`. I mean, once you`ve read one interview, you`ve read them all. Interviewers tend to ask the same questions and get the same answers over and over again. Some people on this Message Board keep posting more and more links to references to Blue Cheer from the media. I for one do not follow them. We don`t need other people (meaning the media) who are probably discovering the band for the very first time, telling us over and over again why Blue Cheer is such a great band. We already know!
But tell me! Why do you need sound clips? Considering that only Blue Cheer fans are likely to be logging on to the website and are familiar with all the songs, why add song clips? Show me the Blue Cheer fan who doesn`t have all their albums! Then there`s the copyright issue on some of the albums. I believe that there has been a legal issue for some time concerning who owns the rights to the three Nebellung albums. Do you need permission to copy parts of any of those songs as sound clips? Also, do Track Records hold copyright on the first two albums or has that copyright been rescinded? They were the last label to reissue those albums.
Are you planning to sell albums through the website? Remember that the band only receives the same pittance for every album sold, irrespective of what the selling price is. Have you found a way to cut out all the middle men in the music business so that Blue Cheer benefit more from the sale of an album on the website as opposed to elsewhere? The music buying public will always go looking for the best deal when it comes to buying albums. Can you compete with Amazon, for instance?
Just my ten cents worth! Hope there`s more positive there to consider than negative.